【键盘侠】威少又场均三双|看多了索然无味&对阵威少祈祷他多投篮

Russell Westbrook is now averaging a triple double again... quietly.

不知不觉间，拉塞尔-威斯布鲁克又一次达成了场均三双……

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After grabbing 19 rebounds in the W against the Pistons last night, Westbrook is now averaging a triple double for the 4th time in 5 seasons. The season he missed out on, last year, he was with whole new team and system, where he still put up 27-8-7 on career high efficiency.

When is he going to get the respect he deserves as an all time great?

昨晚奇才战胜活塞的比赛里，威少抓下了19篮板，近5个赛季第4次达成场均三双的成就.没有达成的那个赛季，也就是上赛季，原因是他来到了一支全新的队伍，在全新的体系里打球。即使这样，威少还是以生涯新高命中率拿到了27+8+7的数据。

威少究竟何时才能赢得该有的尊重，被视作历史上伟大的球员？

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[–]ogqozo 453 指標 21 小時前

I absolutely love how the first time it happened, it was just like an earthquake every day kind of situation, every day we had a ton of threads about it and it was just one of the most exciting stories of the decade in the NBA; and when it happens the next times, it's like "yeah whatever".

我绝对享受见证威少第一次达成场均三双的感受，每天就像发生了地震一样，永远不缺话题度，那是NBA近十年内最令人兴奋的故事之一。然而威少第二次达成的时候，我的感受成了：好吧，其实也不过如此。

[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeInPatRileyWeTrust 212 指標 18小時前

That's also because during his MVP season he was genuinely great. Since then he might rack up triple doubles but he isn't good.

热火球迷：还有一个原因，第一次是争夺MVP的赛季，他打得真的很棒。后来即使达成了场均三双，但其实打得并不好。

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[–]Tempura69 49 指標 15小時前

The more shocking stat is how does a guy who shoots 80%+ FT for 9 years now shoots 65% with less attempts.

更令人震惊的数据是，一个职业生涯9个赛季罚球命中率超过80%的人，本赛季罚球命中率只有65%，罚球数也变少了。

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[–]Knicksphillipjpark 505 指標 20小時前

I love Westbrook but he was definitely one of the reasons the Knicks beat them 2 times in a row. Hurts to see it, man.

尼克斯球迷：我喜欢威少，但是他的确是尼克斯能连续两次战胜奇才的原因之一，真让人难过。

[–]SpursSnuggleMuffin42 245 指標 19小時前

Every time the Thunder played us in the playoffs everybody on the Spurs thread just prayed for more Westbrook jump shots and cheered every time he tried one instead of giving the ball to KD or Ibaka or really, anybody else lol

马刺球迷：每次季后赛对阵雷霆的时候，马刺这边的所有人都在祈祷威少能多出手几次跳投。每一次选择自己投，而不是传给杜兰特、伊巴卡或者其他什么人，我们就会为之欢呼，哈哈哈哈。

[–]Thunderthebrodie925 150 指標 18小時前

The 2016 playoff series. Westbrook and the two bigs were the key in beating you guys in 6. We definitely needed him to be our best player against your team

雷霆球迷：2016年季后赛，威少和我们的两位大个球员是6场之内淘汰你们的关键，对上马刺的时候我们绝对需要威少拿出最佳状态。

[–]SpursSnuggleMuffin42 34 指標 15小時前

I said specifically jump shots. He became increasingly in love with his own shot as the year progressed, to his team's detriment except one aberration year where he shot almost in league average efficiency (his MVP season).

马刺球迷：我说的是他的跳投，随着时间推移，威少越来越喜欢自己出手投篮，尽管这会给球队带来伤害。除了中间有一年例外，那个赛季威少的投篮达到了联盟平均水平，正是他拿MVP的赛季。

[–]Thunderthebrodie925 25 指標 15小時前

As a thunder fan of 13 years. I have seen this first hand numerous times of him taking too many jump shots. Still love Russ though.

雷霆球迷：作为雷霆13年老粉，我已经无数次亲眼见证威少出手太多次跳投，但我还是喜欢威少！

[–]BullsNAMESPLISSKEN 39 指標 15小時前

My favorite Westbrook moment was in the Finals when he took more shots than the best offensive player in the game

公牛球迷：我最爱的威少时刻就是，他在总决赛里的出手次数超过了队内进攻最强的球员。

[–]Trail BlazersENEMYAC130AB0VE 18 指標 16小時前

Same, every time we’ve ever played against Westbrook I’m begging for him to take more shots.

开拓者球迷：同样的，我们队伍每次和威少打比赛，我也在祈祷威少多投几个。

[–]Lakersfactcheck_ 7 指標 14小時前

Loved seeing russ take shots down the stretch of game 5 vs portland instead of pg lol. Pg gets the flak for the bad shot comment but he was on fire that game. Thank god for russ

湖人球迷：很高兴看到威少在雷霆和开拓者系列赛第五场的关键时刻出手投篮，而不是乔治，哈哈哈哈。乔治整场比赛打得都很好，却因为最后被利拉德当面绝杀赛后被批评，威少真应该感谢上帝。

[–]grandmasta_fro 377 指標 20小時前

Y'all really need to understand that Westbrook is already a first ballot Hall of Famer. Nothing that happens for the rest of his career is changing that.

你需要知道威少已经是未来的名人堂成员了，剩下的职业生涯无论发生什么都不会改变这一点。

[–]76ersChubbyKidBuu 61 指標 18小時前

Triple Doubles are cool but winning is cooler. His MVP season he was clutch af, outside of that...I'm good. More often then not he shoots you out of games and he sucks at defense, which is mind blowing considering how athletic he is, but I guess potential defensive rebounds are more important then staying in front of your man.

76人球迷：三双很酷，但是赢球更酷，MVP赛季的威少是关键时刻的杀手，除了那个赛季呢？威少会终结己方对方的希望，防守也很糟糕，考虑到他的运动能力这是很不可思议的。不过，我猜在威少看来，潜在的防守篮板比防守他的对位球员更加重要。

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[–]CelticsRedDunce 631 指標 22小時前*

When he stops shooting his team out of games and starts meaningfully contributing to winning basketball instead of putting up GOAT tier box scores.

The carry-job he did in his MVP season was really impressive, except turns out Sabonis, and to a lesser degree Adams, and Oladipo are not trash-tier players like everybody wanted you to believe at that time.Westbrook on his salary is a huge net negative asset if you're trying to put together a championship team, so that doesn't scream "all-time great" to me.

凯尔特人球迷：威少什么时候能赢得尊重？那要等到他什么时候不再出手伤害球队的投篮，开始做一些真的能帮助球队赢球的事，而不是刷他那历史级别的数据。威少MVP赛季的Carry表现确实令人印象深刻，结果发现萨博尼斯、亚当斯和奥拉迪波都不是当初外界希望你认为的那种垃圾球员。威少的合同也是巨大的负资产，如果谁能围绕他打造一支总冠军队伍，那真的是史无前例的。

[–][WAS] Bradley BealA2daRon 112 指標 20小時前*

Wizards are actually 12-25 with Westbrook and 4-3 without him.

奇才球迷：事实是，奇才在有威少的比赛里12胜25负，没有威少的比赛里4胜3负。

[–]Trail BlazersCletus_Starfish 21 指標 15小時前

I mean they weren't trash, but Oladipo, Grant and Sabonis were absolutely not the players that they are today and pretending otherwise seems disingenuous.

开拓者球迷：我想说，萨博尼斯、亚当斯和奥拉迪波都不是垃圾球员，但是格兰特和萨博尼斯当时也完全不是如今这种级别的球员，避重就轻让人觉得你很虚伪。

[–]scuare_ 210 指標 21小時前

Everyone suspected Sabonis was going to be good, he was only traded because it was for Paul George. He was playing out of position in his ROOKIE year with the thunder because of Adams. He apparently was afraid of westbrook though so there was that.

Adams was always good, but not necessarily offensively. People already knew how good/not good he was at the time.

Oladipo got in crazy shape and took a giant leap the next year. Credited westbrook in how he learned how to train.

Grant couldn't really dribble at the time.

The most you can say is that the team was a very good defensive team. Kind of like a worse version of those AI phili teams.

当时每个人都知道萨博尼斯未来可能会打得很好，他被送走是为了交易来乔治。由于亚当斯的存在，他新秀赛季在雷霆就打的不是自己的位置，他还有点害怕威少，所以才会这样。亚当斯打得一直都很好，但是不够有进攻性，当时人们都知道他的长处和短处。奥拉迪波第二年取得了巨大飞跃，打疯了，其中也有威少在他训练上的帮助。格兰特当时甚至连球都运不好。你最多可以说那支雷霆的防守很好，相当于低配版艾弗森那年的76人。

[–]Lakersmarkhanna123 10 指標 19小時前

Except ai took his team to the finals and won a game against Kobe and Shaq when they were unbeatable.

2/3 of Westbrook's last playoff runs he a negative net rating and the other one isn't far behind, just saying haha. Let's not compare Westbrook and AI

湖人球迷：除开艾弗森独自带队打到了总决，并在如日中天的奥尼尔和科比面前拿到了一场胜利不谈，近三年威少的季后赛净效率值有两年都是负的，另外一年也好不到哪去，所以笑笑就行了，不要再拿威少和艾弗森相提并论。

[–]Lakersawesomobeardo 61 指標 19小時前

AI took that team to the finals on a significantly weaker conference. I don't think that's a valid point against Westbrook.

湖人球迷：艾弗森带队打进总决赛的那年东部明显整体实力更弱，我不认为这是能指责威少的有力论据。

[–]General1lol 16 指標 16小時前

That East was pretty weak and those 76ers had the COTY, DPOY, and 6MOTY.

那年东部是真的弱，而艾弗森的76人队里有年度最佳新秀、年度最佳防守人和年度最佳第六人。

[–]Minneapolis LakersPardonme23 1 指標 16小時前

Awards are narrative bs. I guarantee you shaq was better defensively than mutombo.

湖人球迷：那些奖项就是胡扯，我敢向你保证，奥尼尔的防守绝对比穆托姆博好。

[–]jf45 16 指標 15小時前

This is kind of a wild take. Deke is a 4x DPOY. He was a little older but still an all-time defensive player which Shaq was definitely not, especially in 2001 where he took a significant step back compared to the previous year.

你这就有点过分了，穆托姆博是四届DPOY。他当时只是上了点年纪，但仍然是历史级别的防守球员。而奥尼尔绝对不是，尤其2001年他还比之前一个赛季下滑不少呢。

[–][UTA] Joe InglesNitroXYZ 83 指標 23小時前

Westbrook is amazing at shooting his team out of games but it's ok because he gets lots of uncontested rebounds. Let's not forget this amazing stretch of 3 consecutive playoff games he had as the reigning MVP:

Game 2 vs Utah: 7/19 shooting, scoreless fourth.

Game 3 vs Utah: 5/17 shooting, 14 points, 8 turnovers.

Game 4 vs Utah: 7/18 shooting, 5 turnovers.

He then came out with vengeance the next season against Lillard.

Game 2 vs Portland: 5/20 shooting, 14 points, 6 turnovers.

Game 4 vs Portland: 5/21 shooting, 14 points.

Game 5 vs Portland: 11/31 shooting, 5 turnovers.

爵士球迷：威少在将自己的球队淘汰出局这方面很擅长，但是没关系，他收下了很多轻松的篮板。让我们不要忘记威少作为卫冕MVP在季后赛连续三场比赛的表现吧：对阵爵士的系列赛，第二场19中7，第四节0分；第三场17中5，14分8失误；第四场18中7，5个失误。

第二年他带着复仇的心态对上了利拉德的开拓者，第二场20中5，14分6失误；第四场21中5，14分；第五场31中11，5个失误。

[–]RocketsbyRockets 28 指標 19小時前

Wait till you see his 2020 bubble performance

火箭球迷：想等你注意到威少去年复赛期间的表现。

[–]Trail Blazersirelli 101 指標 21小時前

That 11/31 game is impressively bad

He missed more shots than every other player on the thunder combined

In a 3 point loss at that. Everyone else was amazing. Dude singlehandedly lost the series that game

开拓者球迷：31中11那场比赛糟糕透了，他投丢的球比雷霆其他人加起来还要多，而那场比赛雷霆只输了3分，说明其他人的表现都很棒，威少凭一己之力将雷霆淘汰出局。

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[–]vonnegutcheck 44 指標 20小時前

Every time Westbrook gets criticized, his fans whine about "analytics ruining the game."

Analytics aside. Have you ever played a lot with a really ball-dominant guard? When they're great it works, but if they're anything less than great, everybody else is just kind of standing around and not getting into the flow of things. There's a reason Dipo/Grant/Sabonis didn't take their leaps playing with Russ, and it's not all random chance. Russ gets assists, but he doesn't maximize the players he plays with, and the fact that they didn't get a chance to develop should be more of a knock against him than it is.

Imagine the OKC team from his MVP year with say, Kyle Lowry at the helm. Lowry wouldn't have averaged a triple double, but I'd bet that Dipo/Sabonis/Grant all would have looked better and the team would have been just about as good then and would be better now.

每次威斯布鲁克受到批评时，他的球迷就会抱怨“数据分析毁掉了比赛乐趣”。

我们把数据分析先放一边，你有和真正的持球型后卫打过很多回球吗？当他们打得好时一切都很好，当他们打得不好时，其他人就只能站在周围看，参与不进比赛。奥拉迪波、格兰特、萨博尼斯和威少一起打球没有实现飞跃是有原因的，并不都是偶然因素。威少是有不少助攻，但是没有将队友的潜力最大化激发出来，队友在威少身边没有得到足够的机会成长，威少的问题更大。

想想看如果威少拿MVP那年，那支雷霆队的掌舵人是洛瑞的话，洛瑞拿不到场均三双的数据，但是我敢打赌奥拉迪波、萨博尼斯和格兰特会看起来更棒，那支球队也会看起来更棒。

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