【键盘侠】施罗德拒绝续约|TT战术？没干啥活还嚷嚷着要一个亿？

[Brian Windhorst] The Lakers offered Schröder $84 million over 4 years and he said no to that extension

据名记Brian Windhorst报道，施罗德拒绝了湖人4年8400万的提前续约合同。

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[–][MIL] Mo Williamsguitmusic12 1310 指標 12小時前

He's kinda got the lakers over a barrel right? They cant feasibly replace him if he leave can they?

雄鹿球迷：施罗德让湖人进退两难，不是吗？如果他走了球队也很难找到人替代他，不对吗？

[–]dropdatdurkadurk 1060 指標 12小時前

This is the dream set up for an agent be a role player on a LeBron team

LeBron not trying to hear about “fair market value” or “it’s not good business to overpay”. His agent is gonna milk the hell out of this

能让自己手下的角色球员和詹姆斯一个队打球，是每个经纪人的梦想！詹姆斯不想听到“公平的市场价值”或者“溢价合同是不明智的商业行为”等等，小黑的经纪人会好好利用这一点的。

[–]Egalitarian_Thinker 593 指標 11小時前*

Yeah, just like the Tristan Thompson and JR Smith over-pays back in Cleveland.

是的，就看看TT和JR-史密斯在骑士多赚了多少钱吧！

[–]Raptorsmommathecat 288 指標 9小時前

TT better send LeBron a case of wine every Christmas, that man got $5 million+ extra because LBJ/cap.

猛龙球迷：TT最好每个圣诞节都给詹姆斯送一箱酒，多亏了詹姆斯和工资帽大涨，这家伙起码每年多赚了500万美元（5年8200万）。

[–]Trail Blazersmr_snufflefluff 177 指標 9小時前

Try 10. TT was absolutely not worth even 50% of that contract

开拓者球迷：10箱吧！TT连那份合同一半的价值都不值。

[–]inconspicuous_hat 126 指標 9小時前

nah at the time he was he just fell off the last couple of seasons

不不，当时起码TT合同一半的价值还是有的，就是近几个赛季下滑了。

[–][DAL] Dirk NowitzkiMillionaire007 59 指標 8小時前

Kardashians, man.

独行侠球迷：老哥，因为卡戴珊。

[–]GenghisLebron 48 指標 8小時前

the fuck he wasn't. Dude was the 3rd best player on that championship and probably the 2nd most important defender after Lebron. Dude earned every penny of his contract just from that one playoffs, not to mention all the times he ate Horford and Turner's lunches every year they met in they playoffs.

说TT不值合同的一半就过分了啊！这哥们是那年总决赛第三棒的球员，甚至可能是仅次于詹姆斯的第二重要防守人。TT合同里的每一分钱都是那年季后赛挣的，更不要说每年的季后赛碰到霍福德和特纳都能干爆他们。

[–]CavaliersDeanBlandino 28 指標 9小時前

Frye had nothing to do with this. We picked up his shit contract by dumping varejao's idiotic extension. Shump, JR Smith, TT were all overpays because we couldn't replace them, however. A certain beloved GM really fucked up the contract negotiations.

骑士球迷：弗莱也和这些没有关系。他的垃圾合同是因为我们想脱手瓦莱乔的愚蠢合同，而香珀特、JR和TT的溢价合同是我们没有办法找到球员取代他们。多亏了我们曾经有位深受爱戴的总经理，搞砸了这些合同谈判。

[–]Greater_Pyrobl4st 169 指標 11小時前

Yep LeBron doesn’t care about that shit, he’s just going to leave in a few years when the teams resources are exhausted like he has his entire career

詹姆斯不在乎这些狗屁东西，等过几年球队的资源耗尽之后他就会离开了，这是他职业生涯一直在做的事情。

[–]Knicksahwjeez 64 指標 10小時前*

I agree (with the point you're trying to make), but it's easy for the lakers to rebuild while it's very hard for incompetent, small market franchises like the Cavs

尼克斯球迷：我同意你的观点，不过对湖人这种球队来说重建很容易，而像骑士这种无能的小球市球队来说就太难了！

[–]BullsWearAMask2020 51 指標 10小時前

If a small market team is led by an incompetent FO they are truly fucked.

公牛球迷：小球市球队不可怕，要是管理层再废物一点就哔了狗了。

[–][CLE] LeBron Jameshiimred2 105 指標 9小時前

Cavs was shit before Bron, then they was shit after Bron, then they shit after Bron again, so as a Cleveland native I ain’t crying over Bron lifting the franchise over his 2 stints then bolting for better.

骑士球迷：骑士在詹姆斯来之前就是一坨屎，离开后又成了一坨屎，詹姆斯第二次离开后还是一坨屎。作为一个土生土长的克利夫兰人，詹姆斯将球队带到更高的高度后，为了追逐更高的成就两次离开我都不伤心。

[–]FaceMaskYT 11 指標 10小時前

Rebuilding ain't shit when you have a chip

当你有了总冠军之后再重建，这并不是一坨屎。

[–]Thunder141 26 指標 9小時前

It's pretty cool that he came back and won one in CLE. Got to like it as an NBA fan.

詹姆斯还回来帮助骑士拿到一个总冠军，这真的很酷，作为NBA球迷很喜欢这种故事。

[–]LakersThe_Moisturizer 74 指標 10小時前

who gives a shit lmao, Cavs take the multiple trips to the finals + a ring in exchange for the following years of mediocrity

湖人球迷：谁管得了这么多？骑士打过那么多次总决赛，还拿到一枚总冠军戒指，代价不过是之后几年的平庸。

[–][SEA] Jerome JamesDG_Now 47 指標 9小時前

Ask these teams if they would have taken LeBron 2014-2018: Memphis, Sacramento, OKC, Orlando, New York, Washington, New Orleans, Atlanta, Milwaukee, Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Clippers, etc.

The answer is clearly yes.

超音速球迷：来来来，你去问问下面这些球队愿不愿意在2014-18年间得到詹姆斯，灰熊、国王、雷霆、魔术、尼克斯、奇才、鹈鹕、老鹰、雄鹿、篮网、76人、快船……你去问问吧，答案肯定是想要啊！

[–]BullsNaturalOrder2gg 21 指標 9小時前

Chicago for sure. In 14-15, a lineup of Rose, Butler, Deng, LeBron, Noah wins the chip easy.

公牛球迷：公牛肯定愿意，2014-15赛季组成罗斯、巴特勒、鲁尔-邓、诺阿和詹姆斯的首发，那不起飞了啊，总冠军手到擒来。

[–]KnicksSaucy_Totchie 89 指標 11小時前

Worth the Championship at least though.

尼克斯球迷：（别管耗不耗尽资源），能拿到总冠军就是值得的。

[–]Kingsel_pete 51 指標 10小時前

Yeah I'm definitely taking "exhausted" team resources in exchange for a probable championship.

国王球迷：是的，我们宁愿耗尽球队所有资源，只为得到一个争冠的机会。

[–]SupersonicsCommercialFindingNo9 15 指標 9小時前

Nah gotta do the Presti special and win approximately zero chips or conference championships until you have literally every pick in 2030’s draft

超音速球迷：不，你得向普雷斯蒂学习。什么总冠军和分区冠军都不要，先攒够2030年选秀大会所有的签再说。

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[–]princehh 104 指標 13小時前

They have plenty of flexibility and options to manoeuvre around Schroder leaving but it’s far from ideal.

湖人在施罗德离开后有足够的灵活性和选择去操作，只是这样远非理想的情况。

[–]Lakersbelden12 186 指標 13小時前

Not really in comparison to keeping Schroeder. The lakers are hard capped currently and can offer Schroeder more then most free agents because they own his bird rights. At best they could work out a sign and trade but I don't know enough about that part of the CBA to give exact numbers. Passing on Schroeder doesn't mean we can get someone else at that value though. He does have the lakers over the barrel and I would guess he signs at closer to 4 years for 100 mil.

湖人球迷：和留住施罗德相比这算不了什么，湖人有硬工资帽限制，由于拥有施罗德鸟权能提供给他更多的薪水。最好他们能达成一个先签后换的协议，但是我对劳资协议这块不太懂，给不了一个具体的数字。放弃施罗德不代表我们不能按照那个价值再得到其他球员，不过他的确让湖人进退两难，我猜他想要签一份接近4年1个亿的合同。

[–]Raptors-anunoby-got-it-off- 31 指標 16小時前

They can always sign and trade for Lowry depending on if they want to give up assets

猛龙球迷：湖人可以考虑先签后换得到洛瑞，取决于他们是否愿意放弃一些资产。

[–]junkit33 44 指標 16小時前

How?

I'm assuming Lowry isn't going to be much cheaper. They technically only have two guys besides Lebron/AD on meaningful contract amounts through next year - KCP and Kuzma. Montrezl is a player option and he's not going to opt in just to get traded.

So basically they'd lose Schroeder, KCP, and Kuzma to bring in Lowry. That's just gutting their depth completely with no room to sign anyone else besides exceptions.

Schroeder literally has the Lakers over a barrel and he's taking full advantage. Good for him.

咋换？

我猜洛瑞的合同也不会比施罗德便宜多少，湖人理论上除了詹姆斯和浓眉之外，休赛期能拿来交易的合同只有波普和库兹马。哈雷尔下赛季是球员选项，他不会为了交易执行900多万的球员选项。所以，湖人基本上要拿出施罗德、波普、库兹马来换洛瑞，这样搞阵容深度损失严重，也没有薪金空间签人了，除非用交易特例。

不得不说，施罗德把湖人逼到了进退两难的境地，他在谈判中占尽了优势，干得漂亮。

[–]NBAurfaselol[S] 29 指標 15小時前

I think Montrezl is gone. He's going to cash in next year

我认为哈雷尔肯定要走，他明年要去挣钱了。

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[–]Lakersositola 613 指標 16小時前

Yikes, that's a tough deal if we approach 100M for him

湖人球迷：哎呀，要是真给了他一个亿的合同，那就难办了。

[–]76ers_vanilla_ice_ice 596 指標 15小時前

84 is a bad deal. 21m a year for Schroder is hefty af. Especially when it's looking like last years 3 pt shooting, and really just his play in general, was the outlier and not the norm

76人球迷：8400万都很糟糕，在施罗德身上一年花费2100万太多了！尤其你再去看看他去年的三分命中率（38.5%），并不是他职业生涯的正常表现，属于超常发挥了。

[–][NJN] Drazen PetrovicIndianaBones11 252 指標 15小時前

It’s probably a bad deal in a vacuum but for a team in a championship window whatever tax bill they have to pay will be worth it to extend their chances at another trophy.

篮网球迷：通常来说，这可能的确是一份垃圾合同，但是对于一支处在夺冠窗口期的球队而言，只要能增加夺冠的机会，无论付出多少奢侈税都是值得的。

[–]Minneapolis Lakersedwardpuppyhands 75 指標 13小時前

The tax bill isn't the real problem; it's that it'd cut us out of a great free agent class in a couple years. This is the type of shit that Cleveland did in LeBron's last few years, in giving all-star money to average players, making it impossible to get better.

湖人球迷：交奢侈税都不是问题，不差钱。问题是施罗德要这么高的合同会让我们未来几年得不到优质的自由球员，这就是过去几年骑士曾经在詹姆斯身边干的事，给一些平均水平的球员全明星级别的合同，导致球队的实力止步不前。

[–]Greater_Pyrobl4st 60 指標 14小時前

Yes, but it also becomes a huge contract that’s unmoveable, which if Schroder ever ends up playing worse or they wanted to add a piece like Lowry that would be much more difficult to deal with

是的，如果施罗德之后打得越来越差他的合同会是很难脱手的大合同，或者湖人想要得到洛瑞这样的夺冠拼图也更难达成交易。

[–]LakersFolk_Legend 142 指標 13小時前

If the past three or so years have taught me, is that no contract is unmoveable lol. CP3 has been traded twice, Sixers got off the Horford deal, Westbrook traded, etc.

如果说过去这些年我学会了什么，那就是没有任何一份合同交易不走，哈哈哈哈。连4000万先生保罗都能被交易两回，76人甩掉了霍福德的合同，甚至威少都能交易走。

[–]KingsBladex20 550 指標 16小時前

Dude isnt doing much on this Lakers team that screams "$100m point guard"

国王球迷：这家伙在湖人没干多少活，还嚷嚷着自己是“一个亿控卫”。

[–]Minneapolis LakersKaseyOfTheWoods 186 指標 14小時前

Schröder is clearly expecting Lowry money, but he doesn’t provide nearly the complete game that Lowry did at the same point in his career. Lowry at age 27, in season 8 was notably outperforming what Dennis has done this year in almost every single statistical category.

That’s not to say Dennis has been bad. He’s been very important to this team, I’m just glad the Lakers didn’t offer more; for someone who is so small and who’s game is SO dependent on speed, the kind of contract he wants could easily turn into an albatross.

And I don’t blame him for wanting to test free agency: he’s never been a FA and the way this next free agency dried up (even though lots of teams planned around it) he could easily get what he wants. I don’t even know what big names are left other than Kawhi...

Basically, I think we Laker fans just need to appreciate what he brings to the team this year, but also don’t get too attached.

湖人球迷：施罗德很明显想要跟洛瑞拿一样的合同，但是他的贡献根本比不了职业生涯处于同一时间点的洛瑞。洛瑞27岁的时候，职业生涯第八个赛季，几乎所有的数据明显比本赛季的施罗德好。

并不是说施罗德打得不好，他对于湖人非常重要，我也很高兴看到湖人没有给出更高的续约合同。施罗德体型小，打球太依赖速度，他要的合同未来很容易成为湖人的累赘。当然，我也不责怪他想试水自由球员市场的想法，他没成为过自由球员，而且今年的自由球员市场没啥人，即使很多球队都在制定计划。施罗德可以在自由球员市场上轻松得到满意的合同，我实在不知道除了莱昂纳德之外，自由球员市场还有什么大牌。总的来说，我认为我们湖人球迷就去欣赏他今年给球队带来的东西吧，不要过于依恋。

[–]BullsLd511 228 指標 15小時前

He doesn't need to be that. He needs to be better than a 6 million a year pg which is the lakers other option if he doesn't sign with them

公牛球迷：施罗德不需要做太多就能拿到一个亿，他只用关注湖人如果不续约他会选择哪位年薪600万的控卫，然后打得比这个控卫好就行了。

[–]TimberwolvesUnsmurfme 29 指標 14小時前

They can trade for a Rubio caliber player pretty easily.

森林狼球迷：湖人能很轻松地交易来一位卢比奥级别地控卫。

[–]buttstick69 107 指標 14小時前*

Trade what exactly? Their 2028 first round pick and some bum?

具体拿啥去交易？2028年的首轮签加上一些废物？

[–]Oachkatzlschwoaf05 9 指標 13小時前

What do they trade for Rubio? AD? Or some second rounders? Maybe KCP? Every trade requires them to give up an essential piece and loose depth the Dennis resigning does not

湖人拿什么交易卢比奥啊？安东尼-戴维斯？还是一些二轮秀？或者波普？不管怎么交易都要牺牲重要球员或者阵容深度，但是续约施罗德就不需要。

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[–]mbew_05 221 指標 17小時前

Oladipo did the same which makes me think these dudes' agents think there will be a lot of money to go around this off-season. Given so many teams were saving up cap space for this summer and almost all superstars have extended their contracts, its likely guys like Schroder, Oladipo, Markannen, Lonzo, Collins, etc will get their money's worth.

奥拉迪波干了同样的事，这让我不得不去想，这些家伙的经纪人都认为今年休赛期自由市场上有很多钱吗？考虑到那么多球队之前都在为了今年夏天腾出薪金空间，而几乎所有超级球星都续约了，那么像施罗德、奥拉迪波、马尔卡宁、朗佐-鲍尔、科林斯这些球员搞不好真能拿到大合同。

[–]Heatjbenson255 138 指標 17小時前

I think in oladipo’s case he simply wanted to be in Miami

热火球迷：我认为奥拉迪波的情况可能就是他单纯想来迈阿密。

[–]mbew_05 36 指標 17小時前

maybe but he also definitely wanted more money than what Indiana offered. I still have my doubts if Miami end up offering what he wants either bcuz they'd be absolutely haemorrhaging through their cap space.

也许吧，但是奥迪可能也的确想拿比步行者给的合同更大的合同。我对热火最终是否会给奥迪满意的合同持怀疑态度，因为这会让他们薪金空间严重缩水。

[–]kcpluvslayups 119 指標 16小時前

It's a shrewder move than most would make...

施罗德的做法比大多数人要精明……

[–]Heatjbenson255 58 指標 17小時前

That seems more than fair wtf does shroder want

热火球迷：这看起来也太不公平了吧，这个施罗德到底TM的想要啥？

[–]Lakersaquihagato 46 指標 17小時前

honestly no idea that is FVV money, and currently fred is the better player... Schroder said he wanted a fair deal deal for him and lakers but with his production this year asking more than 21M is far from fair to the lakers

湖人球迷：说实话，我没意识到4年8400万和范乔丹一样的身价，问题是范乔丹比施罗德打得好啊……施罗德说自己想要个公平的合同，但湖人根据他今年的贡献认为，想要一份年薪超过2100万的合同对湖人就太不公平了。

[–]RickyTanTheGOAT 17 指標 16小時前

let him leave and play for a team that is

1) not in los angeles

2) much worse

Schroder loses more here

让施罗德走吧，效力一支不在洛杉矶没有竞争力的队伍，他将损失的更多。

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[–]Thunderzmejxds 80 指標 17小時前

What is he doing?

雷霆球迷：施罗德在干嘛？

[–]76ersBachoTheGreat 4 指標 10小時前

Nerlens noel should call this man asap

76人球迷：诺埃尔应该尽快给这个人打通电话。

[–]Mavericksmsterling2012 246 指標 17小時前

Leveraging his position. Lakers can’t replace his production if he leaves.

独行侠球迷：利用自己谈判的优势，如果施罗德走了，湖人没有办法找到人代替。

[–][TOR] Hakeem Olajuwonforeverapanda 133 指標 17小時前

The Tristan Thompson strategy.

猛龙球迷：史称TT战略！

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