【键盘侠】保罗就是“迷你詹”？|如果当年那笔交易成了……?

When Chris Paul goes to a new team, that team gets better. Hornets (0.220 W% to 0.463 W%) Clippers (0.390 W% to 0.606 W%) Rockets (0.671 W% to 0.793 W%) OKC (0.598 W% to 0.611 W%) Phoenix Suns (0.466 W% to 0.720 W%)

克里斯-保罗加入一支新球队之后，该队的战绩就会变好。加入黄蜂前胜率22%，加入后高达46.3%；加入快船前胜率39%，加入后高达60.6%；加入火箭前胜率67.1%，加入后提升至79.3%；加入雷霆前胜率59.8%，加入后提升至61.1%；加入太阳前胜率46.6%，加入后提升至72%。

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[–]faithdies 1936 指標 13小時前

Yeah, he's a HOFer and one of the best pure PG's ever.

是啊，他以后必进名人堂，而且还是史上最强的纯控卫之一。

[–]NoLivesEverMattered 47 指標 8小時前

And CP3 is even underrated a little. Amazing that he is keeping this up in his mid 30s.

保罗甚至还有点被低估。厉害的是，他打到三十五六岁居然还能这么猛。

[–]Nets AlmostCurvy 307 指標 8小時前

I wouldn't be mad at people ranking him top 5 all time pg

篮网球迷：要是有人把他排进历史前五控卫，我也觉得没毛病。

[–]Raptors cooldudeman007 98 指標 6小時前

I would be mad at anyone that didn’t have him top 5

猛龙球迷：要是有人觉得他不算历史前五控卫，我也觉得没毛病。

[–]Force OfChill 31 指標 4小時前*

Magic, Stockton, Oscar, steph, Isiah. Then it’s a toss up for kidd/nash/Paul

魔术师、斯托克顿、罗伯逊、库里、伊塞亚-托马斯，然后就是基德、纳什和保罗爱谁谁。

[–]Nuggets Betaateb 33 指標 4小時前

Full body of work you have to put Paul above Nash. Nash had an absolutely crazy stretch of stellar play, but it took him 6+ years in the league to reach that level. CP3 was competitive with prime Nash a year after joining the league.

Nash is an all time great, don't get me wrong, but in any list you pretty much have to put CP3 above him(if only slightly). Nash had his MVP seasons, which CP3 never had, but he benefitted by getting his MVPs before prime LeBron. MVP in 2005 and MVP in 2012(picked that year since it was the Derrick Rose LeBron combo breaker) are very different beasts, imo.

掘金球迷：保罗必须得在纳什前边儿。纳什的顶级表现确实很强，但他也是在联盟磨炼6年之后才达到这个水准的。保罗进入联盟之后仅一年就和巅峰期纳什形成了竞争。

别曲解我的意思，纳什肯定是历史级强者，但甭管是哪种榜单，保罗必须得在纳什前边（哪怕只是略胜一丢丢）。纳什拿过MVP，这是保罗从未有过的，但我觉得纳什能拿MVP还是占了詹姆斯没到巅峰期的便宜。05年的MVP和12年（詹姆斯、罗斯双骄并立）的MVP还是差别很大的。

[–]howyoureellyfeel 14 指標 3小時前

Ehh you could really go either way I don't think it's fair to say you have to put Paul over Nash. I agree about the MVPs, 2005 didn't have nearly the competition for MVP that CP3 faced in his best seasons. But that Suns offense was so so good because of Nash. Not downplaying D'Antonis coaching or any of the supporting cast but man Steve Nash ran that offense to perfection. Yeah Paul has longevity in terms of his elite seasons, of but Nash still averaged 11 assists until he was 38 and even then it was because of injuries that he didn't. Not to mention he averaged 49/43/90 for his career. That is such an insane feat, especially to be done before this modern era of efficiency. I wouldn't fight with someone putting CP3 over Steve Nash, but I don't think you can definitively call it either way.

呃，这还真没那么绝对，我觉得非得把保罗排在纳什之上是不合理的。你关于MVP部分的论述我赞同，05年的竞争确实和保罗最强赛季所面临的竞争差很多。可是当年的那支太阳正是因为纳什的存在而变得如此之出色啊。我不是在抹杀德安东尼和太阳其他球员的贡献，可是纳什当时对进攻的支配实在是太完美了。没错，保罗巅峰期的延续性更持久，但纳什到了38岁依然有场均11次的助攻，更何况他整个职业生涯的三项命中分别是49%、43%和90%。这是一项极其卓越的成就，而且这还是在如今这个讲究效率的时代之前做到的。我不会和那些觉得保罗比纳什强的人争论，但我觉得这不能绝对化。

[–]Gran Destino loudanduneducated 142 指標 8小時前

Honestly I would have a tough time saying/agreeing with Steve Nash over Chris Paul.

Watched both of their careers, and CP3 brought more overall to the table IMO. I would have him over Stockton too. Probably in the 3-4 range

讲真，要说纳什比保罗强，我还真挺难认同的。

看看他俩职业生涯表现就知道了，我觉得保罗的整体贡献更多。我甚至觉得他还在斯托克顿前面，或许能排到历史第三第四。

[–]lockethe1 31 指標 7小時前

Over Stockton? Cmon now. Go look up videos of the original Isiah Thomas talking about Stockton, or Steve Kerr. Chris Paul is amazing and the best pure PG of this era but Stockton is a top 3 all time.

在斯托克顿前面？得了吧。你去看看早期托马斯或科尔评价斯托克顿的视频就明白了。保罗很出色，他是这个时代最强的纯控卫，但斯托克顿是历史前三的。

[–][CHI] Ben Gordon COLDCREAMYMILK 1155 指標 15小時前*2

Paul is a top 5 PG All Time in my personal rankings. Complete PG package, defense, steals, one of the greatest court visionaries ever.

EDIT:  My top 5 PG's, no order: Isiah, Magic, CP3, Stockton, Curry

Honorable Mentions: Nash, AI, Kidd, Oscar, Parker.

公牛球迷：我的历史前五控卫里有保罗。他的控卫技能太全面了，还有抢断和防守，他的场上视野也是历史最强之一。

编辑：我的个人历史前五控卫：托马斯、魔术师、保罗、斯托克顿、库里（不分先后）。

荣誉提名：纳什、艾弗森、基德、罗伯逊和帕克。

[–]Bulls HumanOfTheYear2013 42 指標 7小時前

Chris Paul really should've won the MVP the year that Kobe did... This is probably a more controversial take than it should be because it was Kobe's sole MVP, but CP3 led a NOLA team to the 2 seed with Tyson Chandler and David West as his second and third options. Kobe was working with Pau, Bynum, Odom, and a pretty deep bench.

Even at the time, there was a lot of criticism that it was given to Kobe as a "lifetime achievement award" even though Paul had objectively the better season.

公牛球迷：科比得到的那个MVP真应该是保罗的……这个话题的争议性还是很大的，毕竟那是科比唯一的常规赛MVP，但那个赛季的保罗在身边二当家和三当家分别是钱德勒和韦斯特的情况下把新奥尔良带到了西部第二。而科比的帮手则是加索尔、拜纳姆、奥多姆和一套很有深度的板凳阵容。

哪怕是当年，也有很多批评说MVP颁给科比有“终身成就奖”的性质，客观来说，那个赛季保罗的表现更好。

[–]Grizzlies Lavaden 10 指標 6小時前

2008 CP3 was the best all-around pg I have seen with my own eyes. Man could do literally everything.

灰熊球迷：07/08赛季的保罗是我亲眼见过的最全能控卫，他几乎是无所不能。

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[–]blovenant 12 指標 11小時前

He’s honestly just a smaller version of Lebron honestly. Everywhere he goes he instantly makes the team better and really controls games the way Lebron does. If CP was as big as LBJ I think they would be the same player lol

保罗其实就是个小号詹姆斯。不管他去哪儿，都能立马让所在球队变强，而且他确实是像詹姆斯那样控制着比赛。如果保罗块头和詹姆斯一样，我觉得他俩应该是一样的球员，哈哈哈

[–]Bulls Kindofadbag 4 指標 9小時前

Something about calling anyone a "mini-LeBron" makes it sound like a dumb take to me, but I completely agree with it. He elevates every team he touches, no matter what. He needs to get a ring though.

公牛球迷：以前我听到谁谁谁说某个球员是“迷你勒布朗”就觉得很蠢，不过这次我完全赞同。甭管咋说，保罗去哪儿都能提升球队实力。不过他需要一个冠军。

[–]Magic EmperorKyoka 156 指標 10小時前

Probably the best modern day point guard. I view curry more as a combo guard.

魔术球迷：他也许是最强的现代控卫，库里在我看来更像是双能卫。

[–][GSW] Stephen Curry azmanz 100 指標 8小時前

Just because Kerr hates the P&R doesn't make Curry a SG. With any other coach Steph would have the time of possession as other PGs.

勇士球迷：你不能因为科尔讨厌挡拆就觉得库里是分卫啊。你换成其他任何教练，库里的持球时间都不会比其他控卫差。

[–][MIL] Malcolm Brogdon Bart_Dart 175 指標 8小時前

Steph is also like the greatest off-ball player of all time, though. I think that is a good argument for him being a combo guard. There's no right answer. He's really unique. He's not a PG or SG. He's Steph

雄鹿球迷：不过库里也是史上最强的无球者。我觉得这也是说他是双能卫的论证之一。这确实没有定论，库里真的很独特，他不是控卫也不是分卫。他就是库里。

[–]San Francisco Warriors onecrispynugget19 30 指標 8小時前

Yea he puts fear into the other team by just running around the court and never standing still without the ball.

勇士球迷：没错，库里无球是从不是站着不动的，他单靠跑动就能让对手害怕。

[–]boozinandsnoozin 7 指標 7小時前

Friendly discussion: i think curry changed the point guard position, so now point guards are more valued if they’re like curry. so if you’re talking about modern day pg, i think curry is that guy. CP3 is a great 2000s PG. That aside, if you could only choose one to be on your team, i think curry is the obvious choice.

友好讨论：我觉得库里改变了控卫位置，所以如今的控卫要是像库里的话就会更有价值。如果要讨论现代控卫的话，我觉得库里就是那个人。保罗是21世纪前十年的顶级控卫。要是让你在他俩之间只选一个加入你的主队的话，我觉得库里就是那个明显的选择。

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[–]Suns phd2k1 18 指標 10小時前

I was really on the fence because I love Rubio and Kelly Oubre, but CP3 is just on another level. So glad we got him.

太阳球迷：保罗刚加盟我日的时候我其实蛮不确定的，因为我很喜欢卢比奥和乌布雷，但保罗确实是他俩比不了的。得亏我们得到了他。

[–]jay754 437 指標 11小時前

CP3 does not get the credit he deserves. Dude has turned every franchise around.

保罗没有得到应有的认可。不管到哪儿，他都能让球队改头换面。

[–][DET] Bill Laimbeer Herrenos 119 指標 10小時前

He's got pretty good stats, but what makes him a superstar is stuff you have a hard time seeing on stat sites and highlights.

活塞球迷：他的数据很漂亮，但成就他超巨地位的，是那些你很难通过数据和集锦看出来的素质。

[–]Lakers okey_dokey_bokey 6 指標 8小時前

I don't know how anyone could doubt him after last year especially.

湖人球迷：真不知道怎么会有人质疑他，尤其是在上赛季之后。

[–]Bucks Deuce_GM 3 指標 6小時前

Imagine your life if Stern never vetoed that trade

雄鹿球迷：假如斯特恩当年没有否决那笔交易……

[–]Lakers Zepest 24 指標 9小時前

Goddamn it David Stern

湖人球迷：天杀的斯特恩?

[–]Nuggets FalsyB 262 指標 15小時前

He is a winner that has never won the ultimate prize. Ironic, he could lead other to the title but not himself.

掘金球迷：保罗是个从未赢得过终极奖项的赢家。讽刺的是，他可以带领其他人染指冠军，自己却没法夺冠。

[–]237FIF 213 指標 12小時前

Can he please win a title so we can remember him for as great as he actually was?

他得赶紧去拿个冠军呐，这样咱们以后才能记住他到底有多伟大。

[–]Timberwolves Jerome_Eugene_Morrow 39 指標 11小時前

Crazy to imagine how different his legacy might be if that Lakers trade was never voided.

森林狼球迷：不敢想啊，要是湖人当年那笔交易没落空，那保罗的江湖地位得有多高啊

[–]Lakers of-the-ash 6 指標 9小時前

I'm still salty his trade to the Lakers was blocked.

湖人球迷：那笔被破坏的交易让我至今仍然耿耿于怀。

[–]Timberwolves Aftermathe 10 指標 11小時前

I hope he gets a chip to solidify his legacy. As someone who grew up with him I know how good he is, but winning it all will transition across generations.

森林狼球迷：我希望他拿个冠军来巩固自己的地位。虽说我和他同时代成长，很清楚他的实力，但是冠军可以让他的影响力延续几代人。

[–]kunbun 27 指標 10小時前

Why does he need a title this late in his career? Jason Kidd won one with Dallas just before retirement but that's not what defined his career.

他都到生涯末年了，干嘛非要冠军不可呢？基德退役前才在达拉斯夺冠，可这个冠军并没有定义他的整个生涯啊

[–]General1lol 13 指標 9小時前

Damn so true. I never forget that Jason Kidd was on the 2011 Mavericks; but I always forget Jason Kidd is a champion.

太特么对咯！基德是11年独行侠的一员，这点我从未忘记，但我总不记得他是冠军。

[–]Knicks RobNBanks 9 指標 9小時前

CP3 will always be my favorite point guard. If he didn’t get injured in 2017 I think, when the rockets shot 0-27, they should have won that year

尼克斯球迷：保罗将永远是我最喜欢的控卫。如果他在17年火箭三分27中0那会儿没有受伤，我觉得那年的冠军应该是火箭的。

[–]Nets DreadSteed 12 指標 13小時前

A shame he and Harden couldn't work things out, they would have had a good chance in the bubble with their rockets squad.

篮网球迷：可惜他和哈登之间没有一直走下去啊，不然的话，去年复赛后火箭那套阵容夺冠机会还是蛮大的。

[–]Supersonics quite_certain 86 指標 12小時前

Hot take: I've wondered what would've happened if he didn't have such an important position in the NBPA. Maybe he would have been willing to take a paycut to ring chase if it wouldn't have been such a bad look for the NBPA president to do so.

超音速球迷：提个暴论：我就想哈，要是保罗没有在球员工会担任那么重要的职位的话，会发生啥呢。或许他会愿意减薪去追求冠军，毕竟以工会主席的身份做这种事儿不大体面。

[–]237FIF 79 指標 12小時前

From some interviews and stories I’ve read, I think CP3 is very business savvy / sees himself as a business man. So I don’t he would take a cut tbh, but the flip side of that is he is so good he should have won one without chasing.

就我看过的一些采访和报导来说，我觉得保罗很有商业头脑，而且他把自己视作商人，所以我觉得即便他不是工会主席，也不会减薪。不过咱也可以反过来看，既然他这么厉害，那就应该凭本事夺冠，而不是抱大腿。

[–]shuaige 10 指標 10小時前

Agreed. True "greatness" is being a max contract player on an NBA championship team. Much is expected and you deliver all that with more.

同意。真正的“伟大”就是做一支冠军球队的顶薪球员，肩负着众多期望，但你的表现却能够超越期望。

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[–]Ok_Advantage6227 6 指標 11小時前

Amazing how people like CP3 again now that he isn’t a clipper

不得了，保罗离开快船之后你们居然又喜欢他了

[–]Celtics VLHACS 12 指標 12小時前

Love Chris Paul appreciation posts. He's a true superstar and may go down as the greatest point guard without a title

凯尔特人球迷：吹保罗的帖子我都喜欢。他是真正的超巨，或许以后是史上最强的无冕控卫。

[–]Knicks NovaKash 2744 指標 13小時前

The OKC boost is insane. They lost Westbrook and PG and replaced them with Paul, SGA, and Gallo and they win more games?

尼克斯球迷：他对雷霆的战绩提升太逆天了。当时的雷霆失去了威少和乔治，取而代之的是保罗、亚历山大和加里纳利，结果他们居然胜场更多？

[–]Sad-Mathematician-19 965 指標 11小時前

Was about to say this. The OKC win percentage does only go up by a single 1%, but that team wasn't even supposed to sniff 25 wins, if that.

我也想说这一点。虽说上赛季的雷霆胜率就提高了1%，但赛季开始前甚至都没人觉得他们能有25个胜场。

[–]NBA 120593Gian 414 指標 12小時前

That kinda says more about Westbrook and PG than it does about Paul, SGA and my man Gallo quite honestly

讲真，与其说是保罗、亚历山大和加里纳利打得好，倒不如说是威少和乔治的问题更大。

[–]Thunder PrOKCedure 507 指標 12小時前

All it says is that we got deeper as a team when we got CP3. We had no roster depth with Russ and PG because they were eating up a huge portion of the cap.

雷霆球迷：只能说明我雷得到保罗之后，球队更有深度了。威少和乔治时期，我们压根就没有阵容深度，因为他俩占据了大部分的薪资空间。

[–]Grizzlies eezoGG 35 指標 8小時前

Well tbf I think we all thought he was a top flight player only two seasons prior. But he was coming off a down year and a lot of people thought he was washed.

灰熊球迷：有一说一，就在两年前，咱们还都觉得保罗是顶级球员。可接下来他低迷一个赛季之后，很多人居然就觉得他不行了。

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